Shots taken at the Banshee Factory in Taiwan.
I am not going to waste space with a lot of words, I am going to let these pictures do the talking for me. I will just say that I was lucky enough to be locked in a room with a couple of 2010 Banshee Legend MKII frames and a camera. Trying to fit one into my backpack crossed my mind a couple of times. I should have brought a bigger bag.
Pics inside,For more information on the Legend MKII frame visit
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Banshee Legend MKII - Team Red
Banshee Legend MKII - Black and Green
Banshee Legend MKII - White
You may have noticed that on the black frame there are two green bands on the seat tube and on the white there are three red bands. This is because the black is a medium and the white is a large. For the black and white frames there will be three bands for the large, two for the medium and one for the small.
I tried to leave the factory with one tucked under my shirt, but I was stopped by security. I guess I have to wait until they are in stores like the rest of the public who wants one.
Keep riding,
Rob Dunnet
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*I hope*
but like i said, when i saw the price of the earlier CNC'd ones, i was genuinely amazed at how they could do it for that price (i know the cost of that shit as well as anyone, trust me)...and i guess i was correct at thinking that they couldnt.
on the upside, forging is only done for fairly large scale work, so it must mean that we're all gonna have the opportunity to try one at some point.
Forged material is also quite a bit stronger than machined material due to grain alignment that happens during forging process... so the forged parts are lighter, stronger and cost the customer less.
Forging can only be done to a certain thickness without compromising quality, so the foging is done acurately for external, and then internal is machined down from the slightly thicker base forging. This also increases precision of internal faces as you also mentioned.
Legend is made in small numbers too - don't get "hung up" on 'where' its made - Taiwan is not actually as cheap as you might think
we have only 6 Legends frames coming to the UK for the start of 2010 - hardly a big number?
"had something like 2500GBP in my mind.. without shock"
Legend is GBPÂŁ1999.99 with Fox RC4 shock, seatpost, seatclamp and pivot spares
Demo is FSR
Legend is virtual pivot
different suspension system
if they knocked that price down they would get much more people, if i had 2k to drop on a frame id go specialized because of the size of the company and the support they provide"
I would not say either the Legend or Demo are overpriced - compare their pricing to Santa Cruz's V-10 (ÂŁ2600) or the Intense 951 (ÂŁ2,300) in the UK
bear in mind, that Freeborn sells "direct" to customer, cutting out the "middleman", so that customers save about 1/3-1/4 compared to other 'brands' that have distribution to regular bike stores
if the Legend was sold at trade prices to bike shops, and then to customers you would be looking at a UK rrp of ÂŁ2,500
its not a "cheap" frame to manufacture - if you want an affordable, quality bike get a Big Hit or Giant - if you want the exotic you pony up and get the Legend, V-10, M6/951, Evil, etc.
It seems the average Banshee/Transition fan is like the average applemac/Ipod user, more concerned about image and glossy exteriors than quality and won't ever look closely at their frame :@ lol
its well in the pricing ballpark compared to many other bigger "brands", selling their Taiwanese DH race frames for the same, or even more money into the UK market
Specialized 2010 Demo II frame is ÂŁ1999.99 in the UK
Legend Mk2 in the UK is also ÂŁ1999, including Fox RC4 shock
the other Banshee suspension frames in the UK are typically selling around ÂŁ1200 (Scythe, Spitfire, Rampant)
...it tells you something about the sheer amount of manufacturing time / cost, even in Taiwan that the Legend takes to make (for example the shock "canoe")
We had a question about my dads scythe and emailed banshees customer support and the next day Jay McNeil himself had emailed us back with the info we needed, why they made it that way for the scythe.
Another guy on mtbr found a small issue with his frame with wear conditions in his specific riding environment and banshee sent him a new frame with a custom fix to his problem.
... the specialized demo is a good bike but deffinatly not going to come with Ti hardware like this nor will it have the same amount of design and engineering behind it (this was a masters degree project to begin with!)
Didn't they keep the linkage system the same?
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ah shucks..no one has called me sweetheart for some years
ok in Euros its €2277 (Stirling and Euro are almost at Parity compared to previous years)
The frame goes for 3000us with rc4 shock.
Cant wait to get mine (black & green)
I bet this frame costs twice as much as a V10 to manufacture.
other than that, neat-o.
well the good news is that the Legend with Fox RC4 shock is GBPÂŁ1999
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I just sure hope Banshee have improved the design of their pivot housings as the bearings clamped against nylon bushings to tighten them on my banshee them is pretty damn lame - and certainly doesn't allow the linkage to be responsive enough for dh use!
I think the frame looks nice, albeit a near copy of an Iron Horse or Karpiel linkage design, but up close that horrible mass/mess of welding is sure to crack pretty soon, hope they've got a good warrantee dept! :-)
And do you know of any other companies that put 50 prototypes in riders hands for over a year before releasing to the public? If you follow the blog, this is a very transparent company...
builttoride - glad to hear you changed the bearing design, do the mk2's have a forged or cnc'd shock cradle? - p.s. glad to see you got rid of the machining lines in the milled cradle pockets, IMO they just made the frame look like it had only been rough cut and botched out the factory in a hurry - looks much better now!
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And if you want things even cleaner, you can do the same thing as the sicklines guys did on their mk1 on the rear swingarm, to protect the lower link from mud.