A closer look at what goes into the frames and parts we ride with.
After the Taipei Bike Show and Sea Otter I decided that it was time to build up a new bike for the summer. I had a chance to get a close look at a lot of products in Taipei and I had a pretty good idea of what I wanted to use on my bike. Also being in Taiwan and working out of the factory where Banshee Bikes are made I had a unique opportunity to take pictures of my bike during production. I had also lined up a couple of factory visits that fell through at the last minute. Lots of companies do not want pictures taken of their facilities or manufacturing processes. Thankfully I was lucky enough to be invited to the factory where Funn Brakes are made in Taichung, Taiwan. And I made the trip to Vancouver Island to hang out with Greg at the Straitline factory.
Check out my bike being built up from Taiwan to British Columbia,
Banshee Scythe:
All of Banshee's bikes are made by Pacific Cycles in the north of Taiwan. They currently run three to four productions a year. They run larger production runs in the off season and then a sample or show bike production during the summer. Pacific also makes frames for several other high end brands. Tight scheduling is important to meet orders and get bikes out of the factory. Building a frame does not happen over night and building fifty or more can take some time. There are no robots at Pacific, everything is done by hand.
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I did not get pictures of everything, some things I am not able to share and some are just boring.*
- Raw materials arrive, they are cleaned, cut to size and cleaned again.
- Raw material is set up in a jig and tack welded.
- Tack welded frames are measured and checked before welding.
- Welded frames are checked and cleaned before being placed in T4 and T6 head treating.
- Frames come out of heat treating and are checked again before having the head tube and bottom brackets reamed, chased or faced.
- Anodizing and polishing are done off site. These frames are shipped out to get finished.
- Painting and Powder coating are done in house.
- Frames are checked again before the painting process, frames are painted, decals are applied and then clear coat is applied before going through a giant oven to cure the paint and clear coat.
- Painted frames are taken to assembly. During assembly bottom brackets are chased again, seat tubes are installed, head tubes and bottom brackets faced, linkage inspected ...
- Assembled frames are then checked again before being boxed up.
FUNN Brakes:
The Monday before leaving Taiwan for Canada I met Lynn Miles at their facility in Taichung. I was lucky enough to have met Lynn and Ollie from FUNN brakes at the Taipei show. After talking to them I was interested in being able to test their brakes on my dirt jump bike. When I started working on this project I contacted them and asked if I would be able to get a set of brakes for a freeride bike ... and if I would be able to take pictures of their manufacturing facility.
All of FUNN Brakes are manufactured in house. The factory, assembling and testing are all done in one location. FUNN is in complete control of their product from design to shipping. To maximize productivity and meet a thirty day turn around they work in cells. While machining is going on, there is minimal assembly, when machining is done assembly starts, when assembly is finished brakes are tested and then boxed up to be shipped out. Even assembly is broken up into cells to be more time efficient.
Of the process R&D is the most time consuming, taking anywhere from six months to two years. (They have been working on their carbon brakes for the past two years)
Production:
- Down a little alley I would never have guessed it housed so many CNC machines.
Assembly:
Testing:
- Measurements are taken of all parts to ensure that they meet requirements.
- For small parts a microscope and computer are used to ensure that nothing is over or undersized.
- Brakes are tested to make sure that they will withstand the abuse that bikers put them through. I did not get to see anything explode, but I wanted to.
Straitline:
Greg from Straitline has pretty much posted pictures or video online of how everything works at their factory. It is pretty impressive to see it first hand.
Chain Guide:
- The slider of the Straitline Silent Guide start out looking like this. This machine then turns them into sliders, how it works I am not sure, but it works.
-The machine they use to make the chain guide actually makes the pieces they need to machine the guide.
Pedals:
- Straitline has pedals down to a science, the machine that makes the axles is self feeding. Raw material is constantly going in and being machined, then axles are getting dropped out the other side.
- In one night this machine will make enough polymer washers to last a year's worth of pedals.
Cool Stuff:
Under the microscope is a penny, on the penny is a human hair, on the human hair are parts machined by Straitline for watch internals. Check it out, it is pretty amazing what these guys can do.
My 2010 Banshee Scythe:
Frame: Large Banshee Scythe
Fork: Manitou Dorado
Shock: Fox DHX Coil
Headset: Cane Creek Flush
Stem: Spank Spike Direct Mount
Bars: Spank Spike 777 Evo
Grips: ODI Ruffian with Blue Camp of Champions Locks
Brakes: FUNN
Rims: Spank Spike Evo
Hubs: Hope Pro II
Seat: Spank Subrosa
Cranks: Race Face Atlas FR
Chain Guide: Straitline Silent Guide
Pedals: Straitline
Shifter: SRAM X.O
Derailleur: SRAM X.O Short Cage
Chain: SRAM Hollow Pin
I have to give a special thanks to everyone at
Pacific Cycles, Derek and Julian at
Race Face, Ollie and Lynn at
FUNN Brakes, Greg at
Straitline, Jay and Keith at
Banshee, Mike and Gavin at
Spank and Rich and Sean at
Manitou. If I missed anyone I am sorry, but I just want to get this done so I can go ride my bike.
Keep Riding,
Rob Dunnet
www.bicycleretailer.com/downloads/US%20factory%20chart%2010-08LoRes.pdf
I've been doing quite a bit of research on this subject the last year. What I've learned is that in order for all the major players to continue to survive or grow in this business they've all had to start manufacturing in Taiwan and have already begun in China. Taiwan is fast approaching a higher standard of living which will eventually elevate cost where as Chinese manufacturing costs are about 10 cents to the dollar compared to Taiwan. Most boutique bike companies have recognized as well that if they want to survive they are having to go overseas. Keep in mind most of these Taiwanese fabricators are US companies that have moved their operations overseas as a cost savings measure but they are continuing to do the engineering, R&D and quality control. Major manufacturers in Taiwan are definitely on par with any US manufacturer and China will eventually get there as well.
Even If i get it painted it wont cross the mark of 450$ MAX to MAX! I have my components and cant get it hooked to that frame.
The only reason why im holding the deal is beacause..the frame comes from China. I live in India. Geographically we both are connected . I can actually reach China Border in a day.
Anyways.. frame prototype 300$. Shipping to India 325 $!!
so thats why im holding the deal.
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wow... the return on investment. that technology looks pricey
By the 90's the Quality was much better but the high end Bikes from Trek and GT (brands I sold) were proud "Made in USA" stickers on them. My 18 year old USA made GT Zaskar LE is still running true, all modern parts on old frame, many many races and beatings on old frame with no problems (will break now I said that).
Many brands and models are all made in same factories right next to each other. The "Bikes Direct" and related brands is one of those that removes the middle men, the distributors and LBS to sell direct mail order, good or bad I cant say never having one. Parts hangers comes to mind but when the parts alone are more expensive than complete bikes ?
I guarantee you that 90% of the peoples bikes on pinkbike were made over seas.
And most people dont know that.
I work in a bike shop so I know lods of the stuff that goes on.
Generally we take off the "made in china" sticker off the headset, becuase people dont want to see that.
Yes yes we all want to ride bikes made in Canada, US anywhere but China, but you cant get around that.
Keep in mind bikes are DESIGNED in North America like Brodie and Kona, but they are MANUFACTURED over seas.
I was just giving an expample.
Have you heard of a guy called Steve Peat?
Ive heard of Steve Peat but I dont really give a shit.
85% of people we have come into our shop dont ask where the bikes are made or disigned.
I totally support that and wish I could do something about it, but that is just not going to happen.
Bottom line? If you have the money and you are looking rof a high end bike, buyer beware if there is a sticker on the frame saying made in China. That is an example of a manufacturer taking advantage of cheap unfair labor practices to turn a quick buck and head faking the customer by saying it's carbon or it has the super alpha double omega downtube design thats 200% stiffer than everyone elses to justify the cost. BS. Don't be fooled.
If you have the funds and you are serious about the sport buy from smaller companies (Knolly, Intense, Orange, Ellsworth, in some cases Trek, etc.) At least those people care about riders and the sport as much as they do making a profit.
Sorry to be on a soap box about this issue but I have experienced it first hand. We as cyclists do it to ourselves. we are constantly looking for the newest, lightest, most high end, most trendy design but refuse to pay anyhing for it. There are manufacturers out there that capitolize on that by esentially saying, "who cares where its made. You should only care about how it's designed." I'll end with this question. Would you buy a Ferrari if it was designed in Italy and made in China assuming it cost 150,000 as opposed to 200,000? That's essentially what is happening in our industry.
Look, bike frames go through an initial qualification phase in the development process. During this phase the frames (carbon anyway) are usually manufactured by chineese engineers and are really well made. After the frames make it through the initial qualification phase they are green lighted into production....this is where excessive variation comes into play. The engineers usually have to teach migrant workers who may have never built a frame in their life the complicated process of hand molding a crabon frame. Then you have employee turn around where someone unrelated to the initial development process has to teach a new employee how to build a frame.
Frames are accepted into this country based on the initial qualification results and a piece of paper from the frame manufacturer stating that the lot of 10,000 bikes we just shipped you is good...take our word for it. We tested 5 frames out of the 10K we just shipped you and those 5 passed so the rest are good. That's the mentality.
I disagree with the statement China is quality because they flat out don't have the process controls or manufacturing regulations that other countries are forced to adhere to as stated by cesalec above. If they did they wouldn't be painting toys with led based paint.
Obviously you didn't check out Knolly's web page. 100% North American/ Canadian Made. I think the only part they outsource on the frame is the German made bearings.
I will agree with your point on the helmets. TLD does make good lids but that is not what we are talking about in this forum nor can I confirm that all of their product is outsourced to China. Based on your statement about Knolly I think that you assume that everything bike related is made in China without doing any research first.
Third, I am far from racist. None of my posts on this forum slight Chinese people in any way. I am discussing Chinese manufacturing practices which are well known to be unfair when compared to other manufacturing countries. As a result they are exploited by big business.
Lastly, I do not live in a trailer park (any more at least) and as for my d*ck size...well I could spin that statement in a million different ways to take a dig at you but I am going to refrain. BTW, regardless of where I live be it in a trailer park or other, at least I am not living at home with my parents which I can only assume someone who writes a response like the one you did above so obviously does. When you are out making a living on your own come talk to me.
LOL!!! ^