Closer Look - Where your bike comes from!

Jul 8, 2010 at 15:59
by Rob Dunnet  
A closer look at what goes into the frames and parts we ride with.

After the Taipei Bike Show and Sea Otter I decided that it was time to build up a new bike for the summer. I had a chance to get a close look at a lot of products in Taipei and I had a pretty good idea of what I wanted to use on my bike. Also being in Taiwan and working out of the factory where Banshee Bikes are made I had a unique opportunity to take pictures of my bike during production. I had also lined up a couple of factory visits that fell through at the last minute. Lots of companies do not want pictures taken of their facilities or manufacturing processes. Thankfully I was lucky enough to be invited to the factory where Funn Brakes are made in Taichung, Taiwan. And I made the trip to Vancouver Island to hang out with Greg at the Straitline factory.

Check out my bike being built up from Taiwan to British Columbia,Banshee Scythe:

All of Banshee's bikes are made by Pacific Cycles in the north of Taiwan. They currently run three to four productions a year. They run larger production runs in the off season and then a sample or show bike production during the summer. Pacific also makes frames for several other high end brands. Tight scheduling is important to meet orders and get bikes out of the factory. Building a frame does not happen over night and building fifty or more can take some time. There are no robots at Pacific, everything is done by hand.

*I did not get pictures of everything, some things I am not able to share and some are just boring.*

- Raw materials arrive, they are cleaned, cut to size and cleaned again.
- Raw material is set up in a jig and tack welded.
- Tack welded frames are measured and checked before welding.

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- Welded frames are checked and cleaned before being placed in T4 and T6 head treating.

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- Frames come out of heat treating and are checked again before having the head tube and bottom brackets reamed, chased or faced.

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- Anodizing and polishing are done off site. These frames are shipped out to get finished.
- Painting and Powder coating are done in house.

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- Frames are checked again before the painting process, frames are painted, decals are applied and then clear coat is applied before going through a giant oven to cure the paint and clear coat.

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- Painted frames are taken to assembly. During assembly bottom brackets are chased again, seat tubes are installed, head tubes and bottom brackets faced, linkage inspected ...

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- Assembled frames are then checked again before being boxed up.



FUNN Brakes:

The Monday before leaving Taiwan for Canada I met Lynn Miles at their facility in Taichung. I was lucky enough to have met Lynn and Ollie from FUNN brakes at the Taipei show. After talking to them I was interested in being able to test their brakes on my dirt jump bike. When I started working on this project I contacted them and asked if I would be able to get a set of brakes for a freeride bike ... and if I would be able to take pictures of their manufacturing facility.

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All of FUNN Brakes are manufactured in house. The factory, assembling and testing are all done in one location. FUNN is in complete control of their product from design to shipping. To maximize productivity and meet a thirty day turn around they work in cells. While machining is going on, there is minimal assembly, when machining is done assembly starts, when assembly is finished brakes are tested and then boxed up to be shipped out. Even assembly is broken up into cells to be more time efficient.

Of the process R&D is the most time consuming, taking anywhere from six months to two years. (They have been working on their carbon brakes for the past two years)

Production:

- Down a little alley I would never have guessed it housed so many CNC machines.

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Assembly:

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Testing:

- Measurements are taken of all parts to ensure that they meet requirements.

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- For small parts a microscope and computer are used to ensure that nothing is over or undersized.

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- Brakes are tested to make sure that they will withstand the abuse that bikers put them through. I did not get to see anything explode, but I wanted to.

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Straitline:

Greg from Straitline has pretty much posted pictures or video online of how everything works at their factory. It is pretty impressive to see it first hand.

Chain Guide:

- The slider of the Straitline Silent Guide start out looking like this. This machine then turns them into sliders, how it works I am not sure, but it works.

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-The machine they use to make the chain guide actually makes the pieces they need to machine the guide.

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Pedals:

- Straitline has pedals down to a science, the machine that makes the axles is self feeding. Raw material is constantly going in and being machined, then axles are getting dropped out the other side.

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- In one night this machine will make enough polymer washers to last a year's worth of pedals.

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Cool Stuff:

Under the microscope is a penny, on the penny is a human hair, on the human hair are parts machined by Straitline for watch internals. Check it out, it is pretty amazing what these guys can do.

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My 2010 Banshee Scythe:

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Frame: Large Banshee Scythe
Fork: Manitou Dorado
Shock: Fox DHX Coil
Headset: Cane Creek Flush
Stem: Spank Spike Direct Mount
Bars: Spank Spike 777 Evo
Grips: ODI Ruffian with Blue Camp of Champions Locks
Brakes: FUNN
Rims: Spank Spike Evo
Hubs: Hope Pro II
Seat: Spank Subrosa
Cranks: Race Face Atlas FR
Chain Guide: Straitline Silent Guide
Pedals: Straitline
Shifter: SRAM X.O
Derailleur: SRAM X.O Short Cage
Chain: SRAM Hollow Pin

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I have to give a special thanks to everyone at Pacific Cycles, Derek and Julian at Race Face, Ollie and Lynn at FUNN Brakes, Greg at Straitline, Jay and Keith at Banshee, Mike and Gavin at Spank and Rich and Sean at Manitou. If I missed anyone I am sorry, but I just want to get this done so I can go ride my bike.

Keep Riding,

Rob Dunnet

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84 Comments
  • 10 0
 Some great pics, nice to see how much effort goes into every last part on these awesome machines, really sweet bike btw tup
  • 10 4
 But how much are the workers getting paid out of the $4000 bikes? about $1 an hour???
  • 10 0
 Maybe... but in Taiwan you can live off 40p per day. If you ever get chance to go there, take a trip to a supermarket with the equivelent of £20 and see how much you can buy...
  • 5 0
 dude they get payed way more the $1 an hour trust me and as bunkey said about stuff being cheap is rich you can go to like the Philippines and get a 500ml coke for around 10c and you can buy a honda mx bike for like 1k its insane but tai wan is much more developed and they pay well especially corporate companies like banshee and the bikes are mostly that expensive because of the materials then the labor then the shipping then the import tax then the sales tax from the shop then the shops profit then the gst..they make around 100usd in profit per bike or less so yeah
  • 10 0
 All because it is not made in America dose not mean it is crap.
  • 4 1
 well if everyone wanted them to be made in America, because the "quality from america is soo god" than Mountain biking will only be a sport for the extremly wealthy.....
  • 4 0
 ....now mountain biking is also for the marginally wealthy and those perceived as wealthy.
  • 2 0
 alot of the bikes that are made over seas are done not just becasue it is less exspensive, but becasue the ability to do so much under one roof. there are also a lot less restrictions on paint and chemicals that are used. the EPA is really harsh about a lot of chemicals. there is no place in North America that has the total efficiency to weld, clean, paint/powdercoat, and finish a bike that a majority of riders can afford. we all love the idea of a boutique bike made just for us, but lets be real about it-few can afford that.
  • 4 1
 Even Yeti has frames (for example the 757 made in Taiwan. Don't be ashamed to own a Taiwan-made bike, they are good machines.
  • 1 0
 Check out this map of all the major US manufacturers and which countries they use to manufacturer their frames.

www.bicycleretailer.com/downloads/US%20factory%20chart%2010-08LoRes.pdf

I've been doing quite a bit of research on this subject the last year. What I've learned is that in order for all the major players to continue to survive or grow in this business they've all had to start manufacturing in Taiwan and have already begun in China. Taiwan is fast approaching a higher standard of living which will eventually elevate cost where as Chinese manufacturing costs are about 10 cents to the dollar compared to Taiwan. Most boutique bike companies have recognized as well that if they want to survive they are having to go overseas. Keep in mind most of these Taiwanese fabricators are US companies that have moved their operations overseas as a cost savings measure but they are continuing to do the engineering, R&D and quality control. Major manufacturers in Taiwan are definitely on par with any US manufacturer and China will eventually get there as well.
  • 1 1
 I do worry about the frame quality of those made in China, taiwanese frames are excellent!
  • 1 0
 Wow! fasinating stuff. It's so cool to see the process of production. Many quality bikes come from overseas, but my favorite brand, not claiming it to be the best, is Intense cycles. Still made 100% in the USA right in Temecula California. I believe thee only process not done in house is painting, but that's sent down the street a few blocks. I've done the Intense Cycles factory tour and it's really cool to see the whole process of how our bikes are made.
  • 3 0
 Sick. Good write up, Rob!
  • 2 0
 great write up! kinda funny how the outsourced, yet i havent seen a huge price change, wonder why...
  • 1 1
 YES! you are absolutely right. I contacted one frame manufacturer in China. He quoted me 300 USD for sick prototype DH frame without shock though. But still.
Even If i get it painted it wont cross the mark of 450$ MAX to MAX! I have my components and cant get it hooked to that frame.
  • 2 1
 But that is if you order 1000 frames and more
  • 1 0
 Well usually. But thats not the case in real ..atleast not with me. They agreed to sell me their protoype frame.
The only reason why im holding the deal is beacause..the frame comes from China. I live in India. Geographically we both are connected . I can actually reach China Border in a day.
Anyways.. frame prototype 300$. Shipping to India 325 $!!
so thats why im holding the deal.
  • 1 0
 you pay for the brand, the R&D and the sponsorships. by saving money on production they have more cash for new projects and new riders ..... and probably a little more in their pocket ... but Banshee is good shit, so those guys deserve some extra change.
  • 1 1
 a very shit bike compared to these but im getting hooked up with a very sweet banshee wildcard which im saving for and will have by the end of the year.
  • 1 0
 i have a wildcard too, they are awesome bikes
  • 1 0
 this has been the most interesting write up yet. great job it was fun to see where our bikes really come from. great photos
  • 2 0
 transition is even 100% taiwan produced
  • 2 0
 Awesome write up and bitchin' looking Scythe.
  • 1 0
 Don't forget FOES Racing and Ventana bikes- both hand made in Calirfornia and darn sturdy.
  • 2 0
 Well that's pretty sweet, now if I could only afford this shit.
  • 2 0
 Frame looks simply like true fr frame. I like it!
  • 1 0
 Neat...

&

wow... the return on investment. that technology looks pricey
  • 1 0
 Thats one good way to build up a bike.
  • 1 0
 What i would give to have a factory like this in my backyard!
  • 1 0
 Thanks for the post, I love to see how thing are made!
  • 1 0
 scythe looks crushing.
  • 1 2
 so how many bike companies still make their frames in america? is transition one of them?
  • 4 0
 Transition frames are also made in taiwan.
  • 3 0
 Intense, Seven, Soulcraft, Trek (only the 6 series road bikes), Brooklyn Machine Works, and Nemesis Project are a few.
  • 1 0
 I remember when I worked in a shop in late 80's and the Taiwan bikes from nishiki where just starting to show up. The quality was so poor we had a guy hit something on his road bike lugged frame and the tubes came out of the lugs only held together by the cables.

By the 90's the Quality was much better but the high end Bikes from Trek and GT (brands I sold) were proud "Made in USA" stickers on them. My 18 year old USA made GT Zaskar LE is still running true, all modern parts on old frame, many many races and beatings on old frame with no problems (will break now I said that).

Many brands and models are all made in same factories right next to each other. The "Bikes Direct" and related brands is one of those that removes the middle men, the distributors and LBS to sell direct mail order, good or bad I cant say never having one. Parts hangers comes to mind but when the parts alone are more expensive than complete bikes ?
  • 1 0
 Ellsworth is still hand made in the USA!
  • 1 0
 Yeti Cycles as well are made in the US
  • 2 0
 norco is made in canada
  • 1 1
 Sorry to burst you bubble, but Norco is no longer made in Canada. Assembled maybe, but not made.
  • 1 0
 Same goes for Rocky Mountain too.
  • 2 0
 Same goes for Giant, Specialized, Santa Cruz, Kona...the list goes on and on. Don't fall for the stealthy marketing. Trust the Taiwanese, they are dialed.
  • 1 0
 Intense is still hand made in the USA!
  • 1 0
 Intense had some funny issues about frame being straight in m1/socom gen
  • 1 0
 mudd, that was the first one I listed. Facepalm
  • 1 0
 the Black Market MOB is made in the USA and i think canonndale is too
  • 1 0
 Cannondale is not made in the 'States anymore since they were bought out by Dorel.
  • 2 0
 a lot of the companies that had frames "made in USA" weren't actually made in the USA, the frame was constructed overseas and sent over with the rear triangle detached or a few welds not completed. then companies would complete the welds and slap a "made in America" sticker on.
  • 1 0
 Cannondale was bought out by Pacific bike company, along with GT and Mongoose
  • 1 0
 it wasnt Pacific that bought Cannondale, it was Dorel-my bad
  • 1 1
 take me one, pls
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